~ yes, we talk about green line cafe a lot:
regarding the avant garde:
mp: ‘avant is french for before’
sd: ‘can’t it also mean ‘against’, though?’
regarding the bush administration meme that democrats are ‘rewriting history’: we don’t think the democrats are claiming that they never voted for the war on iraq; we think they are complaining about the fact they voted for the war on iraq based on the incomplete, inaccurate, and fraudulent information that the bush administration provided? we think that is what bothers most people. we doubt that history would have been written the way it has, if senators had been able to understand – before the war – that the bush administration was lying…?
regarding the upcoming supreme court case involving folks in guantanamo bay: we don’t think the distasteful idea is that the base is located in cuba or is named ‘gitmo’; we think that the idea which makes most people uncomfortable is that up to 500 folks have been incarcerated without being charged with a crime for up to 3 years? we think that is what bothers most people. moving them to be tortured by the c.i.a. in a different country likely won’t settle the issue…?
'jt' responds:
is your position that the democrats who voted to authorize bush’s war ‘based on the intelligence they were given,’ made the right decision? i dont remember whether i believed cpowell’s satellite info or any of that other stuff, but even if i did, i couldnt see the point in invading, i dont believe you did either. however, perhaps we are rewriting history by saying that we went to war based on that intelligence in order to rid saddam of chemical and nucular weapons. we went there to spread democracy.
15 November 2005 _ 23h21m12 EDT [link]
'ashley' responds:
aha, you’re right; i assumed back in 2002 that the administration was lying about the imminent mushroom clouds and the drones full of anthrax that were going to cross the atlantic and spray our kindercares; you may recall my expressions of hatred for people like john kerry and john edwards for disingenuously accepting the terms of the adminstration – almost everyone else was doing it, and kerry/edwards wanted to stay popular.
i am just now mentioning that bush is again lying when he tells us that some democrats are claiming to have never supported the war, when in fact they are only claiming that they have withdrawn support due to realizations that they had been ‘tricked’ into believing information from the administration (though i suspect they are only withdrawing support because the majority of americans has realized the war, in addition to being based on lies, was/is for nothing).
it’s hard to say what we would have thought about powell’s speech in front of the united nations if it were the truth; considering that we were sure he was lying, we can’t imagine making the leap to agreeing with the rest of ‘his’ argument.
it’s ‘funny’ that you mention that the war is for ‘spreading freedom’; in the same speech in which bush unveiled his new ‘rewriting history’ talking points, he also stated that the senate voted to remove saddam from power – in fact the vote was to enforce resolutions concerning weapons which did not exist?
16 November 2005 _ 07h51m24 EDT [link]
he also mentioned september 11, 2001 in the same paragraph (possibly the same sentence, you can never tell with his jawkist meter) with iraq again.
16 November 2005 _ 10h40m22 EDT [link]
That’s why more than 100 Democrats in the House and the Senate, who had access to the same intelligence, voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power.
(APPLAUSE)
The stakes in the global war on terror are too high and the national interest is too important for politicians to throw out false charges.
16 November 2005 _ 10h53m58 EDT [link]
'ashley' responds:
was there applause when he metioned that this ‘same intelligence’ was incorrent and fraudlent? how about when he said, ‘actually, what i said is untrue, the senate did not see the same intelligence as my boys’?
16 November 2005 _ 11h49m34 EDT [link]
'ashley' responds:
he also mentioned september 11, 2001 in the same paragraph (possibly the same sentence, you can never tell with his jawkist meter) with iraq again.
i heard an interview w/ his veteran’s day crowd, and there was an ww2 vet there who said that ‘it has been four years since 9/11…we need to be reminded of why we are in iraq’. ok, you get some respect for shooting and getting shot at by nazis, but that was 60 years ago, it does not earn you the right to make ignorant statements suggesting that iraq 911’ed us. keep your mouth shut if you don’t understand what is happening in the 21st century.
16 November 2005 _ 11h54m13 EDT [link]
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